I think Quebec City has also used fluoridation for some time. It is always controversial.
My personal opinion is that it is not beneficial, so why add it to drinking water and force everyone to ingest it.
We add fluoride to the water. It is very dangerous stuff. We’ve had nothing but problems with it. The biggest issue we have is higher ups have got it in their head that fluoridation is the most important thing we do at the water plant. I feel that removing particles and disinfecting the water is the most important. It seems like fluoride may have its benefits. I’ll be happy with it if I don’t get more cavities.
We use the acid and its very dangerous to handle, for that reason alone I wish we didn’t have to work with the stuff. The conspiracy theories sure are fun. Who knows what the truth is anymore. I wish we could have science settle this debate once and for all.
It does seem foolish to me to water the lawn with fluoride. Also usually its lower income folks that need the fluoride most (from my understanding) as they don’t always have access to great affordable dental care. These are also the people the drink bottle water over tap water from what I’ve heard. So I don’t see it working on its attended audience but I can guarantee you those toilet bowls and bathtubs are cavity free.
I feel there should be a better way. One that is more cost effective as we are spending quite a bit of money on fluoride. There are areas of water treatment where this money could be better spent to solve greater problems. Such as removal of pharmaceuticals.
Another thing is I attended a presentation from the head of the canadian dentist association a few years ago and his entire speech was about how bad Fluoride is for you and how we shouldn’t be adding it to water. Fast forward to today and a new head of the CDA and they are now promoting fluoride and saying it doesn’t have health issues at the levels we are allowed to use. So who the heck knows what to believe. The CDA doesn’t seems to flip flop on the issue as well.
Fluoridation is bad. I have heard a Tonne of conspiracy theories from toxic waste disposal technique, to mind control drugs. As far as dental health, if you look at it from a chemistry perspective; it does not compute, and in all likelihood exacerbates pre-existing cavities
Many times in chemical water treatment salts of iron or aluminum are used to adjust the water quality, leaving residual metals in solution. According to its chemical properties metals can not stay in solution; in the presence of fluoride, and so that sounds like the reason for its use to me
Electro Coagulation is the best primary water treatment. Please contact me if your community is in need of clean safe drinking water, or Waste Water treatment
I live in a town with a high fluoride content in our water. Although our teeth are strong, it does have its draw backs. It causes staining and pitting on the teeth. Growing up there were many kids with brown staining unfortunately on the two front teeth and pitting close to the gum line. Also fluoride is hard on intestines. Due to the high content our public works has to counter it with even more chemicals in our water. I can’t believe communities want to add this to the drinking water. Fluoride is not fit for consumption.
Actually, science never supported fluoridation when it began then, in 1945, and now. Coming on the heels of evidence showing that fluoridation is useless and more harmful to the poor, more researchers report fluoridation’s tooth decay reduction still is not scientifically proven.
“Fluoridated water [does] not seem, based on the existing literature, to hold sufficient evidence for the reduction of dental caries,” report Italian researchers in the Journal of Clinical and Experimental Dentistry (December 2016).
Sicca, et al. analyzed thirty systematic reviews on tooth decay prevention, from 2002 – 2015, and report “there is not sufficient evidence to determine whether the use [of] water fluoridation has a significant impact in the reduction of caries.”
Other scientists concur. Swedish researchers, in PLOS one, February 2015, reported a “systematic review concerned the caries-preventive effect of water fluoridation [McDonagh]… was graded as low.”
In July 2012, Cagetti, et al. reported “Studies of the effectiveness of water fluoridation have been based on observational study designs… these studies are regarded as low in quality and the weight of the evidence derived from cross-sectional and observational studies can be questionable”
Fluoridation’s foundation is based on human experimental studies which began in 1945. Errors and omissions in those studies were pointed out, but ignored, as early as 1959 by dental researcher Phillip Sutton and others.
In 2011 the West Virginia University Rural Health Research Center reported “…it was found that fluoridation rates were not significantly related to the measures of either caries or overall condition of the teeth for urban or rural areas.”
In 2015, the independent and trusted UK-based Cochrane group of researchers could not find any quality evidence that proves fluoridation changes the “existing differences in tooth decay across socioeconomic groups.” or that fluoridation cessation increases decay rates.
In 2009, attempting to prove that fluorosed teeth are less decayed, Kumar reveals 1986-1987 National Institute of Dental Research (NIDR) data which, upon analysis, shows similar cavity rates in permanent teeth whether the water is fluoridated or not (Table 1). Chart depicts data.
More ineffectiveness evidence here.
A December 2016 Health Affairs article claims fluoridation may save money but it’s based on “an assumption of Community Water Fluoridation Programs effectiveness in reducing caries,” the researchers write. It’s not proof of effectiveness as some have claimed.
Floride should be a personal choice not a forced one. I have a natural well so I don’t have to worry about it currently but I don’t agree with it being forced down your throats
We get all the fluoride that we need for our teeth through proper oral hygiene with a fluoride toothpaste or rinse. Fluoride should not be ingested, studies have shown that it may affect an unborn baby. Mothers to be should be made aware of this and drink only purified water. We recommend Reverse Osmosis, it’s the very best way to give your family high quality purified water for drinking, cooking, making baby formula when breastfeeding is not an option.
There has also been a lot of talk lately about drinking water with a higher ph content. At Aquarius Water Refining we address that issues as well. A ph stabilizing filter is added as a final polishing filter and will raise the ph of Reverse Osmosis water to a neutral or higher level.
A recent review paper suggests the following: “The authors conclude that available evidence suggests that fluoride has a potential to cause major adverse human health problems, while having only a modest dental caries prevention effect.” and, ” Public health approaches for global dental caries reduction that do not involve systemic ingestion of fluoride are urgently needed.”
It seems that fluoridation is associated with decreased tooth decay, but ingestion may not be the best application; tooth surface application has fewer health risks.
An interesting argument I recently heard questioned adding fluoride to the whole water system when only a small fraction of it is consumed, and hence used to combat tooth decay. Most of the fluoride added simply returns to the wastewater treatment plant, and is discharged into receiving waters.
Science informs, but there are always many factors to consider when implementing research findings into application. There’s lots to debate because science deals with grey areas and uncertainty and reality.
Calgary has recently removed fluoridation from drinking water, but now there is a correlated increase in tooth decay in the city.
Peckham, Stephen and Niyi Awofeso. 2014. Water Fluoridation: A Critical Review of the Physiological Effects of Ingested Fluoride as a Public Health Intervention. Scientific World Journal 2014:263019. doi: 10.1155/2014/293019
We all know how dangerous Fluoridation is. So, my simple questions is,
When deciding on the amount needed to get the dental protection that is touted by the Industry, how does one decide on a level to use.
If you put in enough to make it safe for humans, then which humans are we talking about….a small 10 lb baby being exposed to this or a 250 Lb man.? When all of us have been exposed to a Fluoride Treatment, we are warned NOT TO SWALLOW the treatment. There is no way in my mind to solve this problem safely. I would rather see a few more cavities that be exposed to the dangers of this product.
We are already exposed to a host of dangers. My take would be to spend the same amount of money finding a way to get all of the massive amounts of Pharmaceuticals out of our treated water. We are all aware to the many side effects that are exposed to us when we take these products, some of these side effects include death.
My opinion is also that fluoridation is not beneficial. The hydrofluosilicic acid that is used in some of our water plants is nasty for the operators to work with. With fluoridated toothpaste and regular dental visits, do we really need additional fluoride in the water? Fluoride may be naturally occurring, but so are many other elements. Through water treatment, these elements are removed and most are not added back. Additional fluoridation should be an individual choice, rather than a systemic additive.
I’ve enjoyed reading many of the answers, especially the one quoting all the scientific studies.
We don’t fluoridate in Kingston, Ontario. Dentist claim there is a higher cavity rate….but that would be hearsay not based on any studies.
I think the intentions originally of fluoridating to prevent cavities were well intended. But if there is no scientific proof WE CANNOT JUSTIFY THE EXPENSE. I’ve heard the fluoride used is the cheapest and not the best type to be used….then why bother?
Excess flouride is a common PROBLEM in different parts of the world (just google it for a map) especially in India. Due to their geology, TOXIC FLUORIDE WELLS are very common and it is a struggle to educate people not to use those wells for personal drinking water. A disease results: FLUORIDOSIS which affects the bones can cripple people. Also cancer has been linked.
So I advocate not using it and saving the expense….how much does it cost per year? And could that money go towards future tertiary upgrades?
It needs to be stopped, Period. Adding a poison to carefully treated safe drinking water! I’ll stop before I get to ranting. Read all you want online at: http://fluoridealert.org/
P.S. I have a well at home and refuse to drink Fluoridated water. I even bring jugs of water to work.
I had a debate a few years back and I was pro fluoride. It dawned on me while I was arguing that, the only thing the Department Of health in MN cares about is fluoride. You have to test it everyday, call them if its not being put into the city’s water, if to much is put into the water, and they don’t care about anything else in the same manner. You think they would want to know if there’s to much chlorine. I recently bought tooth paste that’s fluoride free. I think it’s made a difference, Thinking more clearly now.
In my opinion it is a waste of money to implement this system, it is expensive to run, it is introducing a big hazard. Based on statistics just 2% of the potable water is used (drink) by humans, the other 98% it’s wasted, why we need fluoride in water? To put more chemicals in rivers? If somebody needs fluoride he can go to drug store and buy. Another question is who’s determine the limits of fluoride in water do not become harmful for human body? Is it taking also in consideration all the other fluoride sources (tooth paste, water bottle)
Why would ANYONE want to add this product to drinking water in the first place? It is our jobs as water purveyors to medicate the public? I think not. Stick to what we do best and deliver a clean safe source of water to the public, absent of ALL toxins. Of course DPB’s are always going to be an issue.